A brief history of Wuji & Louhan Ru Yi – The parent arts of Yan Shou Gong

  • Nikke .

    Member
    22nd October 2022 at 10:05 am

    Master Yap mentions Oddwin Lewis (forgive the spelling). Is there any more information available about him?
    Great episode by the way (as always I suppose), and I hope you
    continue to live healthily for a very long time 🙂 – in part since I might be a little slow and don’t want to miss out on the opportunity.. 😉

  • Ortwin Lüers

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    22nd October 2022 at 10:36 am

    Hi there, I am a member here as well. If there are questions about WU Ji QUAN , please be free to ask.🙏Greetings from Berlin

    Ortwin Lüers

    • Nikke .

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      22nd October 2022 at 12:00 pm

      Hi! I am Nikke 🙄 😇Nice to meet you😊 🤓
      I don’t really have any concrete questions but since you offered and we are here; can Master Yap move your finger, or, how would you go about to prevent him?
      Thanks,

    • Ortwin Lüers

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      22nd October 2022 at 12:41 pm

      One Meaning of Wu Ji is ultimate void or emptiness. By this there would be nothing to prevent and Master Yap or even my finger would be just clouds.

    • Nikke .

      Member
      22nd October 2022 at 3:04 pm

      So I take it ultimate void or emptiness is basically the same as the “normal” grounding but just more, so to speak. Would that mean that there is an absolute finite limit of “nothingness” that is achievable through Wu Ji, or is it just a technique, so to speak, to achieve “more” than the “normal” grounding? My rationale being that the one with the deepest grounding is capable of maintaining immovability.

      Would it be feasible to find this (whatshouldIcallit? centre, focus, state of emptyness) through other arts such as for example some Tai Chi, or is Wu Ji the only road that leads to that/such depth?

      I would ask for any good online resources that you might recommend but it seems the best available might be right here. Any further material would be of interest, as would a “quick” tldr of Wu Ji, core methodology or key concepts.

      Is this art readily available in Berlin, or is it more a case of hoping for master Yap, or yourself, to create additional courses?

    • Ortwin Lüers

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      22nd October 2022 at 3:53 pm

      Wu Ji Quan as a learnable and teachable inner martial art has been estimated to be older than 4000 years. Master Chee explained that this art had been developed in preancient times when men were barely clothed, almost naked and had to keep themselves strong and healthy. Master Chee made clear that Wu Ji Quan derives from the ancient folk tradition and has to be differentiated from the daoist and buddhist tradition although later it had been integrated in the early Buddhist Tradition of the Shaolin Lineage by Bodhidharma, the first Patriarch of ZEN Buddhism. By this in the Wu Ji System the martial , the healing or medical as well the spiritual development runs together. Grandmaster Chee’s way of presenting the full amount of Shaolin Gong Fu and his unique way of teaching always inherited these 3 Levels . Being grounded is essential for any kind of Gong Fu as well for Wu Ji Quan.

    • Nikke .

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      22nd October 2022 at 4:38 pm

      Thank you for that. Further details would be appreciated.

    • Ortwin Lüers

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      23rd October 2022 at 2:40 am

      Just take a look under http://www.wuchidao.de

      I am on FB as well

      Use Google translate if required

      Thx for your interest 🙏🙋🏻‍♂️

    • Nikke .

      Member
      23rd October 2022 at 4:20 am

      👍 🙏

  • Ortwin Lüers

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    22nd October 2022 at 12:31 pm

    Many thanks to Master Yap and Kieren for this great video. The story of Grandmaster Chee in this compact, short form with the corresponding important details has not yet reached the public in such an adornment to my knowledge. Also that it became clear in the video that here in Europe, a core of students exists who practice Wu Ji Quan and much more from the early eighties, the nineties and directly for a total of 12 years under the direct guidance of Grandmaster Chee, is very welcome!

    Wu Ji Quan is alive. That makes us very happy. Many greetings

    Ortwin Lüers

    • Jay Sen

      Member
      24th October 2022 at 9:42 am

      Hi Ortwin,

      That’s very good news. How about Luohan Ryui? Is this something you practice as well?

      Regards

    • Ortwin Lüers

      Member
      28th October 2022 at 1:50 am

      Hi Jay , I practiced these Sets for many years 🙂 They promote a strong Yang energy flow in the body and heat. Because of my tendency to higher blood pressure I had to stop it for medical reasons and stayed with Wu Ji Quan ( more Yin) and the 12 Steps Wu Ji Qi Gong which had been developed by Grandmaster Chee Kim Thong.

      Greetings

      Ortwin

  • Boh Heong Yap

    Member
    29th October 2022 at 12:13 am

    Firstly, I would like to thank Ortwin for taking the trouble to meet with Sifu Lyndin and me while we were in Berlin and for his willingness to share his knowledge. He helped me to fill in some holes in our lineage’s history about GM Chee teaching in Switzerland in the 80s, which I’ve heard from my father, but I did not know the details. I am truly and pleasantly surprised to have met Ortwin and learn that a ‘pocket’ of WuJi (and WuZu/5 Ancestors) survive in Switzerland! It’s like discovering some long-lost cousins.

    I would certainly like to work with Ortwin to bring the art of WuJi back from the brink and to a suitable audience, such as those found in the Martial Man community.

    Although I’m fairly proficient in the Arta of Yan Shou Gong, 5 Ancestors, and WuMei, I have barely touched WuJi; and from what little I know of it, it awes me. Its essence is ‘Emptiness’, the highest of the scale of the ‘Shaolin 6 Levels of Internals’! Learning to be proficient in WuJi is not easy… that was why YSG was created! Sure, learning the WuJi forms is not difficult but just learning the movements is meaningless, without nuances and details that can only be realized through the guidance of proficient instructors. (Those that attended the YSG Stage2 Workshop in Volendam/Amsterdam will know what I’m talking about. And WuJi will go even deeper than YSG.

    The other factor about learning WuJi is;

    “Are you Ready?”

    Are your body and mind in the correct state to receive and understand those lessons? Do you have the qualities of Song, Rootedness, and Centeredness; can you feel and control your ‘internal structures’ (Strings, etc…). Does your mind have the quality of Stillness and Mindfulness that will allow the teachings to sink in?

    If you are “not Ready,” the learning is severely limited, and you may have spent your time and effort fruitlessly: and squandered the resources of your teachers.

    I will definitely work with Ortwin, to bring WuJi into the public light, but don’t expect it to be immediate! In the meantime, For those enthusiastic about WuJi, prepare yourselves and get ‘Ready’! The best way to do it is to “deep dive” into the art. If you are unsure about what I’m talking about, please refer to the talks I gave on the Martial Man Channel about the ‘Roadmap to Learning Internals.

    Lastly, I’d like to add: I’m honored that Ortwin chose to share his knowledge of WuJi here in this forum. I see him as a senior See Hing (Martial Arts brother); please treat him with the respect he deserves.

    * ‘Not Ready’: this is also the reason why I have postponed my seminar on WuMei. After meeting and touching hands with many martial artists, I have found many are ‘not ready.’ That is why we start with YSG; this is the best way to get Ready to learn the other arts of 5 Ancestors, MuMei and WuJi.

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